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Post by squee755 on Sept 22, 2017 3:45:18 GMT
I can’t tell you guys how upset the idea of resetting the map has made me. I joined Simplex in Jan/Feb of this year after getting lonely in solo play, and since then, I’ve put hundreds if not thousands of hours into my base. I’ve built a ridiculously awesome castle, which is only 90% done. I’m planning to build a community village next to it for new players to join. Also currently in the middle of building a keep with my neighbor. Just the other week I found a Massive unraided abandoned mineshaft. I paused my building and explored every corner of it… took me at least a week to finish. Ken got a glimpse of it in spectator mode… he can vouch for it. I want to build a barn, I have auto-farms I can still build, and when I’m done with everything I want to do on my base… I have a fun idea to build a rail to the shopping district, cuz its only a few K blocks away. After that… I want to go find a cool mountain or jungle biome and build second castle, maybe a second village. The maybe a third. Has anyone seen how many different/cool castle styles there are on youtube? I want to try building a windmill… and a water wheel… and a village of tree houses. Bored?  Come on you guys… if you really can’t think of something cool to build, then go watch some youtube vids for inspiration or find another server. Don’t ruin it for those of us who want to keep what we’ve accomplished and who don’t plan to be finished for a good long while. Poll is closer than last time, but not close enough. Maybe next year? If I do, do it, then maybe i'd make it an every 2 years kind of thing. But i'd like to get the word of more older players that they'd come back. Resetting the world is bound to lose many players so we need older players to fill that gap until things go back to normal. So older players who have already quit are more important than current active players who are fighting to continue? Thanks. And between now and next year I have to worry about losing everything I currently have as well as everything I build between now and then? Great. If abandoned builds are cluttering up the server, save those areas to a downloadable thing and rollback those spots. Ppl who have left the server can download their builds if they want them, and new ppl will have more room. If room is even really an issue. I used the rtp to find other biomes all the time, and have seen plenty of unoccupied space. Now all of that said, IF I can keep my base/castle on a new map, I will be ok with a reset or new server or whatever. But to lose everything I have done just because some people are bored? I don’t care if it can be downloaded to be viewed like a framed picture—I want to use and play with/in my builds on a server with other ppl. It’s why I came here. Did I mention I will be leaving if I can't keep my 8+ months of work? |
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Post by Admin on Sept 22, 2017 6:56:37 GMT
Squee, brother, we're only talking hypothetical's here. There's no way i'm resetting the server unless the majority of the player base wants it - which they don't. Still it doesn't mean we can't talk about it.
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Post by thecrankywolf on Sept 22, 2017 8:30:05 GMT
Squee, this is all just hypothetical. There’s no actual reset happening anytime soon so you needn’t worry or get so upset about any of that. Eventually, a reset will be necessary but I honestly can’t see that happening anywhere in the near future. No one is disrespecting newer players with this. No one is catering to the OG players either. It’s all, as I said, hypothetical. Hence, a poll. It’s good to discuss things like this with the community. It shows where everyone stands.
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Post by sweetcrimson on Sept 22, 2017 15:34:11 GMT
I like many others have never had the pleasure of exploring a woodland mansion, and I would love that experience. However it is not worth losing the huge amount of hours I have already put in. I would be fully supportive of finding some way to reset the mansions but other than that I am against a reset. With a full reset I feel it would be like a big F U to anyone who has donated actual money to get claim blocks and support the server. I was recruited by Harragoor and now we play on here with 8 of our friends and family members and we recently discussed that we should all donate since the server is so great and since we have spent so much time on here. However with the reset possibility looming I am glad we have not donated yet, and if it did happen I would love to say we would donate afterwards to get the claim blocks but the reality is I seriously doubt we would stay. It is just not worth it to start over, especially knowing it is likely to happen again in another year or two.
Sorry if that sounds negative but I feel it is important for Meehan to hear everyone's view point.
the quiet and crazy Sweetcrimson
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Post by squee755 on Sept 22, 2017 17:09:19 GMT
Meehan, I know we haven't had the opportunity to get to know each other... a little about me: I am female, I am 32, I am happily married and hope to be a mother in a year or two, my #1 hobby is building on Simplex.
I am not upset because I'm worried about an upcoming reset; I'm upset because what I am hearing from Meehan is that my investment on Simplex is only worth something if my vote stays in the majority. Sweetcrimson nailed the issue right on the head: next year, if we are in the %49 voting no, our hard work and our money donations are no longer valued and we become acceptable losses if we decide to quit. But if enough older players agree to come back, it makes it more ok.
What kind of message is that? I've been very close to donating myself, and now like Sweetcrimson, I'm not sure I should. I have big build plans, but now I don't know if I should bother start any new projects because I have to worry if it will be here in a year. From what I've read in this discussion, a reset is inevitable one of these years and when that happens, I Might be lucky if I get to keep A (one) base. I already have a small second base for my villagers, and what about them? I've spent 8 months breeding villagers to get good enchantment trades, and even if I could keep both bases, I very much doubt that villagers would survive this kind of reset.
From what this discussion has told me, there are three categories of players... 1. Players who care more about building than they do about exploring/raiding 2. Players who are bored of building and want to explore and raid, 3. Players who are neutral.
My question is.. why are we discussing a solution to make the explorers happy and not caring about the builders? Why is %49 an acceptable loss? The question shouldn't be 'are the builders in the minority yet?" The question should be "how can we keep both the explorers and the builders happy?" Aren't there solutions like expanding the borders to give the explorers more to do? Rolling back mansions and end cities to reset those?
Right now you are sending the message that Simplex is not the server for ambitious builders. Maybe I am one in a thousand who can see herself continuing to build for years to come, but if so, I'd better significantly lower my expectations. The castle I have is the first I've ever built, and I'm excited to see how I can improve on a second. Or at least I was before yesterday.
I too apologize for the negativity, but hopefully my feedback is valuable. I like this server and I want to see it thrive.
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Post by primustheone on Sept 22, 2017 18:07:39 GMT
I think Meehan made it very clear that there wouldn't be a reset anytime soon. Also, I'm pretty sure it would have to be at least a "super majority" before a reset would even be considered (a lot more than 51%) And if there was a reset (there won't be) I'm fairly certain that ranks, claim blocks, and even inventory would stay with you. Meehan, I know we haven't had the opportunity to get to know each other... a little about me: I am female, I am 32, I am happily married and hope to be a mother in a year or two, my #1 hobby is building on Simplex. I am not upset because I'm worried about an upcoming reset; I'm upset because what I am hearing from Meehan is that my investment on Simplex is only worth something if my vote stays in the majority. Sweetcrimson nailed the issue right on the head: next year, if we are in the %49 voting no, our hard work and our money donations are no longer valued and we become acceptable losses if we decide to quit. But if enough older players agree to come back, it makes it more ok. What kind of message is that? I've been very close to donating myself, and now like Sweetcrimson, I'm not sure I should. I have big build plans, but now I don't know if I should bother start any new projects because I have to worry if it will be here in a year. From what I've read in this discussion, a reset is inevitable one of these years and when that happens, I Might be lucky if I get to keep A (one) base. I already have a small second base for my villagers, and what about them? I've spent 8 months breeding villagers to get good enchantment trades, and even if I could keep both bases, I very much doubt that villagers would survive this kind of reset. From what this discussion has told me, there are three categories of players... 1. Players who care more about building than they do about exploring/raiding 2. Players who are bored of building and want to explore and raid, 3. Players who are neutral. My question is.. why are we discussing a solution to make the explorers happy and not caring about the builders? Why is %49 an acceptable loss? The question shouldn't be 'are the builders in the minority yet?" The question should be "how can we keep both the explorers and the builders happy?" Aren't there solutions like expanding the borders to give the explorers more to do? Rolling back mansions and end cities to reset those? Right now you are sending the message that Simplex is not the server for ambitious builders. Maybe I am one in a thousand who can see herself continuing to build for years to come, but if so, I'd better significantly lower my expectations. The castle I have is the first I've ever built, and I'm excited to see how I can improve on a second. Or at least I was before yesterday. I too apologize for the negativity, but hopefully my feedback is valuable. I like this server and I want to see it thrive. |
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Post by darkshinobu on Sept 22, 2017 18:35:47 GMT
Im with squee, i quited the game once (2010)after a server reset, so i know the feeling.
Theres still a long way for it IF it happens, but imo, this, being a "simple" server should not rely on that, there are better ways to improve the so called "areas already filled" arguments.
1-Increase the server limit, 42.5k to 60k or 70
2-Change the rtp parameters, it should avoid 15k and down, those areas have lots of builds thats correct, still, there are a lot of clean areas but oh well, imo, random tp should send you now from 15k or 20k and up, to avoid that and actually send new players to untouched areas
And maybe a third, if all that cant or is not enough, spawn can be moved, after a size increase in the limit, to around 35k, so it gets surrounded, again, by clean areas.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by cyrowind on Sept 22, 2017 21:51:09 GMT
I apologize if I upset anyone. I may have sounded pushy, but it's all hypothetical. I'm a builder also squee, I don't care about mansions or villages. It's not even really about the builds to me. Please don't take this in the wrong way. It's just a discussion, not a decision. 
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Post by Admin on Sept 23, 2017 5:30:12 GMT
Meehan, I know we haven't had the opportunity to get to know each other... a little about me: I am female, I am 32, I am happily married and hope to be a mother in a year or two, my #1 hobby is building on Simplex. I am not upset because I'm worried about an upcoming reset; I'm upset because what I am hearing from Meehan is that my investment on Simplex is only worth something if my vote stays in the majority. Sweetcrimson nailed the issue right on the head: next year, if we are in the %49 voting no, our hard work and our money donations are no longer valued and we become acceptable losses if we decide to quit. But if enough older players agree to come back, it makes it more ok. What kind of message is that? I've been very close to donating myself, and now like Sweetcrimson, I'm not sure I should. I have big build plans, but now I don't know if I should bother start any new projects because I have to worry if it will be here in a year. From what I've read in this discussion, a reset is inevitable one of these years and when that happens, I Might be lucky if I get to keep A (one) base. I already have a small second base for my villagers, and what about them? I've spent 8 months breeding villagers to get good enchantment trades, and even if I could keep both bases, I very much doubt that villagers would survive this kind of reset. From what this discussion has told me, there are three categories of players... 1. Players who care more about building than they do about exploring/raiding 2. Players who are bored of building and want to explore and raid, 3. Players who are neutral. My question is.. why are we discussing a solution to make the explorers happy and not caring about the builders? Why is %49 an acceptable loss? The question shouldn't be 'are the builders in the minority yet?" The question should be "how can we keep both the explorers and the builders happy?" Aren't there solutions like expanding the borders to give the explorers more to do? Rolling back mansions and end cities to reset those? Right now you are sending the message that Simplex is not the server for ambitious builders. Maybe I am one in a thousand who can see herself continuing to build for years to come, but if so, I'd better significantly lower my expectations. The castle I have is the first I've ever built, and I'm excited to see how I can improve on a second. Or at least I was before yesterday. I too apologize for the negativity, but hopefully my feedback is valuable. I like this server and I want to see it thrive. I feel like you've taken my words which took 10 seconds to type out and put too much emphasis on what they actually mean... Talking about doing something is one thing, actually doing it is another. I don't see this happening (if at all) for quite a long time, and If it is going to happen, people like you will be supporting it. 51% majority won't be enough, it'll have to be around 70-80% ish. |
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 23, 2017 16:47:33 GMT
I think it should be 90%
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Post by primustheone on Sept 23, 2017 17:57:23 GMT
A constant influx of new players makes reaching even 70% unlikely. |
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 23, 2017 18:15:26 GMT
Well then there should be 100 players chosen to do the vote. All of them should say yes to the reset for it to happen.
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 23, 2017 18:15:57 GMT
Or come up with a solution
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Post by cyrowind on Sept 24, 2017 0:22:04 GMT
This isn't really related to the topic but because of this thread I've gone up to full member. |
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 24, 2017 11:10:00 GMT
Cool
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Poll is closer than last time, but not close enough. Maybe next year? If I do, do it, then maybe i'd make it an every 2 years kind of thing. But i'd like to get the word of more older players that they'd come back. Resetting the world is bound to lose many players so we need older players to fill that gap until things go back to normal.
Come on you guys… if you really can’t think of something cool to build, then go watch some youtube vids for inspiration or find another server. Don’t ruin it for those of us who want to keep what we’ve accomplished and who don’t plan to be finished for a good long while. 
