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Post by cptchlorox on Mar 8, 2020 23:04:13 GMT
Hello everyone, I think we should consider resetting for 1.16. My reasoning is that: - The world size is already very large, > 100 GB and growing if I remember correctly. if we ever release a map download, imagine having to download that large of a file.
- The lag is getting unbearable (yes staff are doing their best to keep entity numbers down, and keep other forms of lag under control but at a certain point it feels like we're just chasing our tails)
- The map is already 4 years old.
- The world border can't be extended anymore meaning that new features in the overworld have to be glued in (i.e. biomes regenerated, bee plugins, etc)
Eventually we might have no choice but to reset, so I'm saying let's decide now while we still have that choice to either have one, or put it off again. The day might come where we have absolutely no choice to reset - and then, it'll hurt the most. Yes, everyone would lose something if we reset but at least the server would be playable. We could enjoy the new features, a fresh experience, and actually have a decent tps to play on. Obviously, if a reset could be avoided I wouldn't be suggesting one. but, i think that it's already getting more and more difficult to put it off any longer. and if we're going to reset we should reset sooner than later because: the longer we put it off, the more players will have to lose from a reset. I left a poll on the thread to see how you guys feel, and I encourage you all to give your opinions down below. Please know, this is only a suggestion thread and isn't anything official, nor will it be deciding anything so keep that in mind while replying. Be civil, reasonable, and respectful of everyone's opinions when replying. |
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Post by ciruchan on Mar 8, 2020 23:16:50 GMT
Neutral here, I don't mind a world reset, but it'd be very nice if there was a world download if that is the case.
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Post by samba on Mar 8, 2020 23:17:13 GMT
I agree, plus with 1.16 coming up and the problem of removing people's nether farms for the new nether biomes and items, I think that with that update should come a complete reset. I know that many people will probably be reluctant to update, but if I'm being honest this is something that needs to happen. It gotten to the point that the server cannot handle a reasonable amount of players (not even at peak times). In addition, the benefits from resetting the world would be extremely beneficial to new players to join a server with 1) no worries of having to catch up with everyone else, not to mention 2) people would join a lag-free server and be able to play whenever they want. |
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Post by Numpostrophe on Mar 8, 2020 23:23:08 GMT
If the lag could be solved by a world reset, then I'm completely for it. I don't want to have a map reset right now by almost any means. That said, it's been increasingly difficult to do many things. I love this server more for its community than its map.
I feel, though, that this poll is a bit early. We don't know the specifics of the lag. How would you know that a reset would fix it?
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Post by dimensionalduck on Mar 8, 2020 23:26:27 GMT
Um, no. That's the classic "you found a chipped brick so you burn the house down" scenario. Staff is working on lag.
The folks I see most prominently pushing for a reset are ancient players. I'm not saying newer players arent, it's just more prevalent amongst the older members complaining that they dont have anything left to do. If that's the case, maybe the servers just no longer for you? There are other servers out there.
The older players I see most actively pushing for a reset are material gatherers that get bored, not the builders (again I'm sure there are exceptions), and I think that says something. Material gatherers,for as useful as they are to the community, will always push to chase their own tail. If we reset now, what happens in another 4 years when the material gatherers are bored yet again?
The beauty of simplex is the immense history (at least for me), and I think it'd be a real shame to see it eradicated because of a problem that can likely be fixed without the need to do so to please the impatient folks not willing to wait for lag to be fixed and the players who are bored of wealth.
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Post by DannyBoy2000 on Mar 8, 2020 23:27:55 GMT
Only If there's a world download. I don't want my p r e c i o u s work to be gone :l
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Post by cptchlorox on Mar 8, 2020 23:27:58 GMT
If the lag could be solved by a world reset, then I'm completely for it. I don't want to have a map reset right now by almost any means. That said, it's been increasingly difficult to do many things. I love this server more for its community than its map. I feel, though, that this poll is a bit early. We don't know the specifics of the lag. How would you know that a reset would fix it? I don't know for sure that a reset would fix it, but I think it's safe to assume that if large farms are the cause of our current lag - then a reset should in theory fix that. A fresh slate would allow for the opportunity of keeping farms in moderation from the start. Instead of worrying about bringing numbers down, the attention could be focused towards keeping them down. |
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Post by brmax on Mar 8, 2020 23:36:32 GMT
I’ve been wondering about a world reset for a while, as people have been talking about if we should have one for a long time. I’m totally for one, plus a world download would be pretty cool.
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Post by DannyBoy2000 on Mar 8, 2020 23:39:03 GMT
If we do, I want to know as soon as possible. I won't be able to decide on continuing or abandoning my projects if they could be made redundant at many moment.
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Post by Numpostrophe on Mar 8, 2020 23:40:21 GMT
Um, no. That's the classic "you found a chipped brick so you burn the house down" scenario. Staff is working on lag. The folks I see most prominently pushing for a reset are ancient players. I'm not saying newer players arent, it's just more prevalent amongst the older members complaining that they dont have anything left to do. If that's the case, maybe the servers just no longer for you? There are other servers out there. The older players I see most actively pushing for a reset are material gatherers that get bored, not the builders (again I'm sure there are exceptions), and I think that says something. Material gatherers,for as useful as they are to the community, will always push to chase their own tail. If we reset now, what happens in another 4 years when the material gatherers are bored yet again? The beauty of simplex is the immense history (at least for me), and I think it'd be a real shame to see it eradicated because of a problem that can likely be fixed without the need to do so to please the impatient folks not willing to wait for lag to be fixed and the players who are bored of wealth. This is a very well-written case against it. I think the issue is that we don't know the whole story for the lag problem. Me and my friends are all "builders," but there have been times in the last week where we have died from lag, been constantly teleported around by lag, and been kicked from lag. We love the server, and hope for an outcome where we can continue to enjoy it. |
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Post by Numpostrophe on Mar 8, 2020 23:42:30 GMT
If the lag could be solved by a world reset, then I'm completely for it. I don't want to have a map reset right now by almost any means. That said, it's been increasingly difficult to do many things. I love this server more for its community than its map. I feel, though, that this poll is a bit early. We don't know the specifics of the lag. How would you know that a reset would fix it? I don't know for sure that a reset would fix it, but I think it's safe to assume that if large farms are the cause of our current lag - then a reset should in theory fix that. A fresh slate would allow for the opportunity of keeping farms in moderation from the start. Instead of worrying about bringing numbers down, the attention could be focused towards keeping them down. This is all speculation from users who have no idea the real causes of the issue. Your theory of lag doesn't even fully hold up I think. We can see many times where nobody is breaking the entity limit yet the lag still persists. |
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Post by cptchlorox on Mar 8, 2020 23:46:28 GMT
Um, no. That's the classic "you found a chipped brick so you burn the house down" scenario. Staff is working on lag. The folks I see most prominently pushing for a reset are ancient players. I'm not saying newer players arent, it's just more prevalent amongst the older members complaining that they dont have anything left to do. If that's the case, maybe the servers just no longer for you? There are other servers out there. The older players I see most actively pushing for a reset are material gatherers that get bored, not the builders (again I'm sure there are exceptions), and I think that says something. Material gatherers,for as useful as they are to the community, will always push to chase their own tail. If we reset now, what happens in another 4 years when the material gatherers are bored yet again? The beauty of simplex is the immense history (at least for me), and I think it'd be a real shame to see it eradicated because of a problem that can likely be fixed without the need to do so to please the impatient folks not willing to wait for lag to be fixed and the players who are bored of wealth. I see where you're coming from and agree that we shouldn't jump the gun with resets. You brought up a good point of if we reset now, what happens in four years. Genuine concern, as we don't need to reset all the time. But I'm looking at it more of: if we don't reset now, what happens in 4 years? I fear that if we don't reset sooner than later, then eventually it'll be so unavoidable that instead of choosing to lose 4 years of work, we'll be forced to lose 8 years of work. True, resource gatherers get bored more easily than builders, and if we reset every time they got bored, we'd have no shortage of resets. We shouldn't just reset because players get bored, but given the current state of the server and circumstances I think it's at least worth having a discussion about. I really hope that this current lag is just a wave, and can be resolved without a reset (reducing the view distance, finding a reliable way to keep the tps up and reduce lag, or upgrading the server if possible) but staff can only do so much of the three, and if it gets to the point where the only way to fix it is a reset, I think it's worth considering. Trust me, there's a lot of history and memories I'd also hate to lose, but I'd rather lose them by choice with a planned reset, with enough notice to back them up (schematics, screenshots, world save, etc) than to have a no-notice doomsday scenario. |
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Post by snackolivia on Mar 9, 2020 1:09:28 GMT
yeah
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Post by fahrenhiet on Mar 9, 2020 2:35:32 GMT
dont mind at all but one thing i like is me veil skull
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Post by jendestroy on Mar 9, 2020 5:37:11 GMT
reset please and thanks
old player or new player, lag fuckin sucks
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