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Post by caarbz on Apr 3, 2017 23:29:38 GMT
Should Simplex even have ban appeals? as I have been looking through them recently, (no I have not read them all) It seems like almost every ban appeal gets denied. harshly too. I don't think simplex should have the opportunity to appeal for a ban. You can make an appeal, but if you do you will probably be insulted and made rude comments at. so maybe we shouldn't have ban appeals it just doesn't seem right for a player to be banned and then when they appeal for somthing, even if they aren't lying, its like nobody takes it into consideration. they just go "Well logblock says this logblock says that" and don't get me started on players just trying to start drama. Look, all I am saying is that maybe simplex shouldn't have ban appeals, or if they want to keep them they should be more nice and maybe actually unban/unjail/unmute people. rather than always thinking they are right. (suggestion)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:04:01 GMT
Before moving on to my post itself, I want to say that this post is from my personal point of view and that I'm not speaking for the staff team here. I guess that applies to all my posts (so far at least), but it's something to keep in mind.
I think it should, yes. Nearly all appeals get denied because the ban/jail/mute was legitimately deserved. The Ban Appeals section isn't a place where you can try to convince staff that your punishment wasn't deserved by making excuses or telling lies. It's a place where punishments can be discussed and reverted if they aren't deserved, as well as a place people that fucked up in the past can go to try and get another shot.
I think the staff is tired of hearing every excuse under the sun when they know that their decision was correct and have shown that with proof, so responses may not always be the most pleasant to read, but feel free to link to examples of said insults and rude comments if you wish to point them out so that something can hopefully be done about them.
For the logblock part, logblock says this and logblock says that indeed. Feel free to find and link a bug report that indicates logblock can indeed fuck up as people have claimed it has before, because as it stands right now logblock has never been proven to be wrong, but has been proven to be right countless times.
Anyway, the fact that you can appeal your ban/jail/mute is a good thing. It's something that should be kept. Appeals are not there so that you can get away with something wrong you've done, or get bailed out earlier than you otherwise would. These punishments are not handed out for no reason. They're handed out when the staff has a good reason to hand them out. Mistakes happen though, and that's why you can make an appeal. If you want change holding up a sign or standing on a box and shouting is not going to bring it. You have to push towards it and get things done. In this case that means that sadly a forum post like this isn't going to bring it. Please provide concrete examples to back your points up.
Point taken though.
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Apr 4, 2017 0:05:00 GMT
There have been plenty of ban appeals that resulted in a ban being lifted.... You are just butthurt because you did what you did and couldnt lie your way out of it... Stop grasping for attention and take the ban like a man.
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Post by caarbz on Apr 4, 2017 1:04:09 GMT
kenb021 If I was a helper I wouldn't talk to a member like that. That was a rude comment. and this is the stuff I was talking about when I said "starting drama"
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Post by Kitty on Apr 4, 2017 1:40:12 GMT
You yourself are starting drama. I can say that People who are genuinely sorry for what they did and not cause drama or lie to us get out of jails/bans/mutes all the time. most of which arn't logged on here. The people who bug us to let them out of jail every chance they get stay in jailed or banned till their time is up. The fact you continually lie to us and say things like "LogBlock messed up" will get you nowhere. Ken is only a "Helper" on here as he is a moderator on the server and he does a great job. A little blunt in his delivery but he didn't say anything that was a lie or wrong. You keep on this path and you may just earn a ban on here too. (Bans on here are perm till a staff member unbans them)
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Apr 4, 2017 1:51:37 GMT
Normally I am a nice guy but I can be blunt when I need to be... You tried to appeal and failed misriably... Fine the reason though I was blunt was because after you failed your appeal you basically make this post to call out staff and whine about our processes... Logblock doesn't lie it says what it says I have been staff on servers for about 3 years working with logblock for about 2.5 years never have I seen it lie... So IMO you can keep the ban stop making posts to cause drama and if you dont like us here the door is never locked you can walk out it.
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Post by caarbz on Apr 4, 2017 21:27:01 GMT
Im not even talking about my ban when I made this post. if you have a problem with my suggestion dont hate on it just ignore it. god people
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Post by caarbz on Apr 4, 2017 21:39:06 GMT
plus I have the right to complain after all I posted this in the "complaints/suggestions" tab.
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Apr 4, 2017 22:43:57 GMT
Exactly my responses are ways tk resolve your complaints... It just so happens you make the complaint tight after your appeal failed...
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Post by lucid on Apr 5, 2017 17:07:37 GMT
Personally, I love the ban appeals. They are a wonderful insight into the many characters and different personalities that frequent the server.
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Post by MarkE13 on Apr 6, 2017 8:39:40 GMT
these tend to follow a pattern..
-player caught cheating/being disrespectful -staff bans/mute -player or friends of player complain in game and plead innocence -staff tells player to take it to the forums and they will provide the evidence -player makes an appeal -staff smacks player in face with evidence -player either owns up to what they did or makes excuses (i was never online that day, logblock lied, my sister/brother was playing not me, etc)
(usually pretty fun to read)
essentially appeals are there to protect the players. appeals are necessary to prevent staff members from being abusive as they have the power to ban or mute anyone at anytime for any reason and ruin someones day. they are also there for when staff makes mistakes. you don't see many appeals being granted on this server because the staff here does their job very well and the bans/mutes are justified.
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Post by Kitty on Apr 6, 2017 9:41:02 GMT
these tend to follow a pattern.. -player caught cheating/being disrespectful -staff bans/mute -player or friends of player complain in game and plead innocence -staff tells player to take it to the forums and they will provide the evidence -player makes an appeal -staff smacks player in face with evidence -player either owns up to what they did or makes excuses (i was never online that day, logblock lied, my sister/brother was playing not me, etc) (usually pretty fun to read) essentially appeals are there to protect the players. appeals are necessary to prevent staff members from being abusive as they have the power to ban or mute anyone at anytime for any reason and ruin someones day. they are also there for when staff makes mistakes. you don't see many appeals being granted on this server because the staff here does their job very well and the bans/mutes are justified. I just like the fact it still says helper by your name. You will never escape xD
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Post by squee755 on Apr 7, 2017 1:18:26 GMT
I find the appeals useful too. Proof is what it is.
The first case of stealing I took interest in following started with the same thing "why am I in jail? I didn't do it, I swear I was framed". I haven't been on servers long, but even I've gotten used to hearing that one. So I assumed it was just another attempt for someone to get away with stealing. Turns out, after the player made their appeal and posted chat logs as evidence to back their story, their jail time was lifted. Mistake made, proof provided, appeal successful.
Turns out Logblock proved that I had a book stolen that I didn't even know was missing, and I found out about it because of appeals. Yay proof.
The mods and helpers on this server and this forum have been nothing but understanding and helpful. Pretty sure they don't get paid to put up with all of the bad mouthing, name calling, immature drama, whining, lies, cheating, stealing, and every other kind of crap that gets thrown at them. They do it on a volunteer basis so that we can have a fun server to play on. It's just too bad that said crap can't be prevented entirely...
Oh! I got it! How about everyone follow the rules and play nice, then the mean Mods can retire and the whole ban/appeal process can be done away with! I like it.
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Post by JavaNinja on Apr 7, 2017 8:53:19 GMT
Speaking as a relative newcomer here, but Minecraft mod and admin (elsewhere) for a year, and NeverwinterNights2 server host and admin for 3 years...
...MarkE13 nailed it. That's exactly the pattern. Technology changes; the games change; but human nature doesn't change much.
I also completely agree with squee755's observations about the process, and the excellent staff it's been my pleasure to observe in my short time here so far.
My two denari.
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Post by pupposaur on Apr 11, 2017 4:41:49 GMT
Should Simplex even have ban appeals? as I have been looking through them recently, (no I have not read them all) It seems like almost every ban appeal gets denied. harshly too. I don't think simplex should have the opportunity to appeal for a ban. You can make an appeal, but if you do you will probably be insulted and made rude comments at. I would just like to point out that if the appeal is professional and apologetic and the person who was caught is compliant, things go pretty smoothly. I know using my own jail appeal is probably in bad taste, but the staff (in the case of this specific thread, just Kitty) weren't rude or mean - just stating the facts. I love that there's an option for people who will learn from their mistakes to correct themselves. Of course, there's always the few posts that are just ridiculous and give the users of this forum a sensible chuckle. So my two cents? The ban/jail appeal section is a part of simplex as much as any other aspect of the server and the forums, and has no reason to be removed.
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