Nether Update 1.16 - Reset Poll

I can't go for a full reset unless I know if we can keep some stuff. Starting from scratch and not even having access to books etc is rubbish. The loss of my bows would be a killer.
A smaller world is also a but pants.

However I do wonder if we are losing players because there's not enough shiny to keep them happy and the area around spawn is littered with stuff from players who aren't on the server anymore.
Appreciate we can't keep going as we have been forever.

I voted for Nether Reset.

I understand that the file size is getting quite large, but honestly the server is still fully playable. I rarely experience server-side lag these days. (thanks to the measures the Admins have undertaken) I feel like a reset before the point where it is difficult to play is a waste of countless hours of hard work and dedication and years of history. There are some seriously quality builds on this server that I would hate to see go. The thought that this server could be reset does steal most of my motivation for building things.

I agree that this server is to be a living server and not simply a history museum. I love seeing the new updates and I think we should do everything we can to keep up with those updates while accommodating the player base.

Just a side note about the keeping of inventory being a solution for keeping The Collection alive - The Collection has hundreds of skulls, hundreds of books and loads of other collectibles. Even with an inventory of shulkers, a player can only keep 972 stacks of items. As books and skulls are unique items and won't stack together, the collection would be seriously limited. Also note, that a good portion of players are SERIOUSLY Rich, the injection of tens of thousands of diamonds into a brand new economy would effectively wreck that economy and cause prices to skyrocket. Keep in mind that a single shulker of diamond blocks (which several players have) is over 15,000 diamonds. Any non-transferring player who has to mine their diamonds naturally would be poor forever as elytras, shulkers, beacons, etc. would be extremely expensive until farms were built up. Welcome to inflation...

If we did a full reset we  would have to do all map arts again plus we'd have to grind which doesn't sound too entertaining. That's probably why I'd prefer a nether reset only.

I just wish that we'd treat the nether the same as the overworld, in whatever path we chose to take.

I believe the decision that we make here is going to set a precedent for what we do in future versions.
If we reset the nether because we need to get the new features, and we decide that the new features are more important than the history and builds in the nether: then we should do the same in an update that affects the overworld in a similar manner. A large overworld update that adds new biomes, or perhaps new ores should be treated the same as this nether update.

I don't want us ever deciding history and builds are more important than the newest features for the overworld, while at the same time openly embracing a nether reset as soon as it adds stuff.

There's still plenty of unexplored land in the nether, whereas the overworld is running dry.

So I guess where I'm at is: if we are always going to keep the overworld as it is because we're afraid of letting go, then we should do the same for the nether. No reset; we'll still find our netherrite/ancient debree, and we'll still see the new biomes.

But if we reset the nether because of a major nether update, then we almost should have to do the same down the road when a major overworld update arises.

In the interest of time, I'll be closing the poll a week earlier (2nd July 10:00pm AEST) than previously announced. This way we can hopefully avoid a long drawn out process as we'll have more time to plan and discuss further options depending on the results.

I think he's trying to tell us something. I can't quite decipher what that is though.


I don't think fire is very effective against the nether. I'm just saying.


They are. At the very least Mount Olympus is the most epic survival terraforming project I've ever seen in person.


One of the reasons I'm against transferring any items over in the event of a reset.





Onto an actual post though.

I'm for a full reset and have been for a rather long while now. I thought the release of 1.13 was the prime time and a good opportunity to do this, and I still think it would have been a good fit. Now 1.13 was a disaster of a release in pretty much every way, but that's a different topic. Keep in mind the server started on 1.9, 4 years is a very long time for a survival world, even more so for a public multiplayer server. The fact of the matter is that it's simply not feasible to keep running an SMP that keeps up-to-date with the latest minecraft versions without ever resetting. I think great examples of this are MinecraftOnline which is still running 1.7.10 and 2B2T, which is still running 1.12.2. These are both some of the oldest SMP servers still running out there, and both of them used to update with new minecraft versions, until they couldn't anymore. Now granted, both of these are quite extreme examples with MinecraftOnline running some extremely old software that is no longer supported by its developers, and 2B2T having a world size of over 7TB, but my point is that eventually it no longer becomes feasible for one reason or another. You reach a point where you either stagnate and keep the old or move on and reset. For Simplex, time is running out. Perhaps you're against a full reset, and you may have very valid reasons, but if Simplex wants to keep up-to-date, it eventually becomes an inevitability. It has been held off for a very long time already, and it can still be stretched, but how far it can be stretched and the impact stretching it has on the server will only get worse. Resetting the nether now would solve it for now. After all, it's the *nether update*. But I don't think it's a good idea long-term. Doing a full reset means the ability to expand and keep up with new content properly for many years to come, which is something that currently isn't possible. The server barely managed to get by with the new overworld content from 1.13, 1.14, and 1.15, some of which have been rather forcefully squeezed in. What if 1.17 adds a new structure to the overworld? Or a new biome? New mobs? New ANYTHING. What are you going to do then? No, seriously, tell me. You're either just not going to get this content, or be forced to finally give in and say "okay, it's time for a reset". Like with 1.13's oceans overhaul, I think 1.16's complete nether overhaul is a prime opportunity to say "Hey, it's becoming blatantly obvious that we can not longer get new content without fucking it in in some ugly way, so maybe it's actually time to reset.". Magma blocks aren't even a thing anything near 0 0 in the nether because that's how old the nether is. Remember when that was introduced? Oh yeah, 1.10. Woodland mansions? Yeah we got like 4 of them in total. Bamboo forests and pandas? Sweet berry bushes? Foxes? New villages? Pillager outposts? A lot (dare I say most) of them were actually manually regenerated terrain. Do you think it's totally okay for a new player to have to *walk* 6000 blocks in the nether to get the content one would (should) assume would just be there if you're in the correct place? Because I don't. And stuff like this will only get worse the longer the server goes on like this. I think the fact that a full dimension reset is something that a lot of you are saying yes to says a lot about the state of the server when it comes to content updates. Anyhow, I'm probably just rambling at this point, but I do want people to think about not just 1.16, but future content updates beyond that as well, keeping in mind that eventually you might no longer have the option to get this new content at all without a reset.

Of course, I probably see things quite differently than your average player. I've been around for nearly as long as Simplex has existed and having (I believe) spent the most time playing on this server. I am done with this world. I've been there, done that, and I'd frankly rather have a fresh world to play in at this point. For a lot of people Simplex currently is their fresh world to play in, and I understand why you wouldn't want to get that taken away. Hell, even if you've been here for a very long time and still find it fun just the way it is, it would suck to get what you have taken away from you. I understand that. Eventually you might be in my shoes though, and at that point there will be others who are in your shoes now. It just is what it is and there will never be an option that makes everyone happy.

Don't worry, I just respawn anyway.

.. but you know what I meant :p