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Post by Admin on Feb 28, 2018 2:49:59 GMT
*makes good points* *gets post insta deleted* Nix you've already said everything you could possibly say, I've learned arguing with you about this incidence would be a waste of time and pointless and of no use to this thread. Your intentions are not good, so your presence here is not wanted or required. That is why I deleted it, just like Bodozo's post. I asked Jendestroy the question so I would like an answer from him. |
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Post by mrnix on Feb 28, 2018 2:50:39 GMT
Most of the people in discord are around our age not 9-15 Dan was just about the only under 17 year old ever in the discord on a regular basis.
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Post by jendestroy on Feb 28, 2018 2:52:05 GMT
And here's the problem here Meehan you all Assumed that this thread wasn't serious. You all Assumed that coolbone was someone who was "mature" as shadowace said. He is, let me say it again, 14. This is a minecraft server, minecraft is mainly populated by children you cant expect for a child to come up with a 5 paragraph essay, especially when that child has anger issues and was upset that he couldn't get his friend to come play with him! You guys are all acting like this is a server mainly populated by mature adults. But no it's not, the server has a few mature adults, a few adults, a lot of children. Notice how I distinguished between adults and mature adults. The mature ones are the ones who can take things seriously, because they understand that minecraft is a game populated by children. The childlike adults are the ones who let ignorance blind them! And I just want to point out, this is all my opinion, don't subject coolbone to any more bullying. Here are the facts staff members, take notes. 1. Minecraft is a video game. 2. Minecraft is mainly populated by children. 3. This isn't running a country, its running a daycare, you have to treat everyone with respect and treat everyone fairly, even if what they say doesn't make sense at first. 4. Ignorance is no excuse for bullying children. Yes, bullying, you bullied coolbone to the point where he doesn't even want to be associated with you all. 5. Favoritism isn't how it works in a daycare, you take both sides of a story and you ask yourself which one is morally correct in each point of view. (And no, i'm not mentioning specifics.) I understand this is a server you're running, and you want to make it popular and a fun place to play meehan. Please elaborate on how we are acting like this server is "mainly populated by mature adults." Your assertions are vague and open-ended, there's nothing to learn or go off from your posts. I ask for constructive criticism on how moderators enforce the rules, but you continue to ignore that. Okay I'll elaborate Meehan, your last post, "how we react non-seriously to a non-serious thread." . If you in-fact read all of what I said, I said in response you all Assumed that coolbone over here wasn't being serious. And shadowace himself said, "He is probably a grown person". As I said, a minecraft server with kids is like a daycare, you treat everyone with respect and treat everyone equal and fairly. Even if it doesn't make sense you take the extra step to be serious. If none of you can't take that extra step then you aren't mature/serious enough to handle being staff. Snurre and veil took that extra step forward and connected with coolbone and clarified the rules and in a way that didn't make him feel like a piece of shit meehan. There is a lot to learn from what I have said, be open minded. "I ask for constructive criticism on how moderators enforce the rules" if we go back to the situation with Hiro, people were banned instantly for not even knowing what they did was wrong. People are muted for trying to give constructive criticism Meehan but in all the mods eyes they are "keeping the peace". Bodozo for example, jailed for some reason after the whole situation with Hiro, even though they weren't involved. Nix for example, banned INSTANTLY. Let me say that again, Instantly, with no consultation. And afterwards when you meehan found out, you lowered his time and i'm pretty sure you were upset by it yourself. Me, banned from the discord server for giving proof that what I said wasn't bullying, but offering criticism. There is never a warning meehan, and yet you ask yourself, "how are my moderators bad?" In-fact meehan look at the responses from your moderators in the face of what I'm writing, a blatant insult towards me and you don't criticize him for that? The evidence is right in front of you. The problem with your staff is they don't discuss things with each other, you all say you do but in the end we see instant bans, instant mutes, and instant jails which sometimes have to be removed because of how severe the punishment is. EDIT: Did you actually read nix's post before you deleted it meehan? |
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Post by Admin on Feb 28, 2018 4:15:41 GMT
"Okay I'll elaborate Meehan, your last post, "how we react non-seriously to a non-serious thread." . If you in-fact read all of what I said, I said in response you all Assumed that coolbone over here wasn't being serious. And shadowace himself said, "He is probably a grown person". As I said, a minecraft server with kids is like a daycare, you treat everyone with respect and treat everyone equal and fairly. Even if it doesn't make sense you take the extra step to be serious. If none of you can't take that extra step then you aren't mature/serious enough to handle being staff. Snurre and veil took that extra step forward and connected with coolbone and clarified the rules and in a way that didn't make him feel like a piece of shit meehan."
Jendestroy, is Coolbone still in the daycare? No, he has been thrown out for breaking the rules. His complaints are not justified, he doesn't speak for who he thinks he speaks for. If he's talking about how he's been mistreated, it's already been explained how he hasn't. He broke the rules and got banned fair and square. Can you not see that? Coolbone has not elaborated after these replies from Veil and Snurre. You're wrong to assume that I think that coolbone wasn't being serious. I'm sure he was being serious. But the post itself wasn't, he even gave up halfway through. He made a statement, and failed to back it up. And his statement is also running low on authenticity. Coolbone has recieved replies about this but still has failed to address them. HE is the one who made this claim, so HE is the one who must back it up if others disagree. I wouldn't care if he's 9 or 40 years old. Also I would argue this isn't a daycare. Staff members are not primarily here to babysit, they're here to weed out the bad players and make sure they are punished for their actions. Justification of their punishments can be provided after they have been punished, not before, as this is a waste of time and leads to unnecessary arguments. For example, if we have evidence of a player xraying, are we going to wait until they come online and ask them why/if they did this? No, because it's a waste of time. If they want to argue the legitimacy of their ban, that's what ban appeals are for. Your reply to mark leads me to believe you disagree with that. We're not here to try and get along with the immature players just because they're kids, I want them out regardless of if they're kids or not. And if the majority of them are kids (which they probably are because kids are the most immature) then that's how it's going to be.
"People are muted for trying to give constructive criticism Meehan but in all the mods eyes they are "keeping the peace".
Bodozo for example, jailed for some reason after the whole situation with Hiro, even though they weren't involved.
Nix for example, banned INSTANTLY. Let me say that again, Instantly, with no proof. And afterwards when you meehan found out, you lowered his time and i'm pretty sure you were upset by it yourself.
Me, banned from the discord server for giving proof that what I said wasn't bullying, but offering criticism."
I regret the MrNix situation, but we've already been over that. Bodozo was jailed recently for a false chargeback on a donation and for the creation of an AFK fishing farm, I meant to jail her until that was settled. It's been settled now but I just forgot to unjail her. You've given me one situation in which things were poorly handled so far. And I want to make sure a situation like that doesn't happen again. I guess the main problem with the staff is that we all manage the chat rules slightly differently. However, the problem I see lies in consistency and that is hard to achieve. But what the only thing I'm hearing from you is that you don't like how moderators treat banned/muted players. You've failed again at giving constructive criticism. Perhaps you need to look at it's definition: "A recommended set of instructions that aims to collaboratively improve the overall quality of a product or service. Often containing helpful and specific suggestions for positive change, constructive criticism is highly focused on a particular issue or set of issues, as opposed to providing general feedback on the item or organization as a whole."
"The problem with your staff is they don't discuss things with each other, you all say you do but in the end we see instant bans, instant mutes, and instant jails which sometimes have to be removed because of how severe the punishment is." We all communicate about it, but you're grossly over-exaggerating things. I am listening to you right now and you can name ONE situation in which this happened. ONE. This leads me to believe that you think that 50% of the punishments we make are now unjust. I can't say i'm impressed recently with some of the decisions made but that is an exaggeration. How shall we improve jendestroy? You only point out what is bad, not how to improve them. Mistakes are bound to be made, we're not infallible and don't claim to be. The staff job is not to make bad players good. Our job is to get rid of them, that is where I think your opinion differs from mine. We don't need to justify to a player why they are going to be banned/muted before we ban/mute them. The punishment comes before, the justification comes after. If the justification is deemed illegitimate after they punishment was made then we must strive to improve.
And yes, I did read MrNix's post before I deleted it.
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Post by Conatic on Feb 28, 2018 5:14:07 GMT
Okay look, I didn't know his age, I just know that I have seen him in chat and he acts mature, except when he said 'Fuck You Shadowace625' but still, this is a game, and a minecraft server, I don't understand why everyone is making this thread seem like two countries started a war. The point of saying 'Rekt' was a joke. That is a common thing on this server, we all make jokes. Now if you want me to address the original meaning of this post, I believe that Coolbone deserves his punishment, ALMOST every server has the rule of not advertising other servers, the rules on Simplex are enforced properly, he is just overreacting. Now this is becoming a giant shitpost, so anyone else here to hate on the people who made jokes or commented. I also don't see how just because I made a joke it ties into me asking for my chances as a mod.
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Post by diwanshu on Feb 28, 2018 7:59:38 GMT
Whatever is going on with coolbone is fair...why?
1.He advertised for first time as soon as he want released from jail(stealing from nix shop) got warned from many people and then said he won't do again.
2.Nearly 2-3 hours of that warning he advertised again(got a warning this time from mod) but then he did again and got muted
3.Then he tried named items/signs to advertise totally unacceptable....
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1.My view of what happened with coolbone before you all go berserk on me...feel free to correct if said anything wrong but those things are in chatlogs.
2.Staff is here the best coming from a player who played for an year and got banned multiple time but they all help everytime...if you make mistakes then accept them instead of non stop rambling or getting your friends to start some kind of riot(won't help you anyway) opinions are good but do see how many peeps supports you on them.
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Post by milo on Feb 28, 2018 21:13:21 GMT
>when a bunch of adults joke about how they "rekd" a 14 year old
everyones at fault here
cb couldve told Nuri over discord about the new server instead of advertising
mods were alright for muting him for advertising
but behind-the-back comments and immature behavior from the mods is also terrible
sure cb broke the rules but he came from an innocent standing,
couldve told him to talk to nuri over discord instead of outright muting and banning him
plus cb was confused probably because perhaps he didnt fully understand the extent of the no advertising rule
i remember him being confused, you couldve expained that even telling a friend to go on another server counts as advertising, instead of refusing to fully explain anything and just
muting/ban him right away.
in the end its your guys' loss, youre losing players and people are passing around bad experiences theyve had playing on here.
the server itself is great, awesome set up, fun and very lenient with builds and rules
unfortunately some staff just cant do the server justice, not all the mods are bad, theres just a few who are way too quick to smack down the banhammer before
assessing a situation. used to play every day but now all my friends are on another server, so ive migrated as well. please have like a staff meeting or something
and talk about raising the maturity standards for the mods. no staff member who abuses their power should stay in that power.
besides its just minecraft, servers should be lenient and relaxed anyway, its a game for fucks sake.
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Post by Kitty on Feb 28, 2018 23:32:27 GMT
"a mother that drinks"
As an adult of legal drinking age, I can and will do whatever the hell I want to and its none of your damn business. If you hate the staff here on simplex so much, why do you hang around here? Don't you lot have your own server to worry about? Y'all know where the door is, please don't let it hit you on the way out.
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Post by Conatic on Feb 28, 2018 23:47:45 GMT
I'm not an adult. I already admitted that I'm 14. As someone also pointed out in my 'Apply for staff?' post.
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Post by jendestroy on Mar 1, 2018 0:29:10 GMT
"a mother that drinks" As an adult of legal drinking age, I can and will do whatever the hell I want to and its none of your damn business. If you hate the staff here on simplex so much, why do you hang around here? Don't you lot have your own server to worry about? Y'all know where the door is, please don't let it hit you on the way out. I don't hate you at all Kitty, I merely pointed out your flaw as a human. And excuse me Kitty but I've been playing on the server for as long as you have, I have friends I like to play with as well. And its quite obvious that you can't handle any situation well, considering your outburst and negative attitude. This is a suggestions forum, and if all you can respond with is disregard and ignorance then don't respond at all Kitty. So far we haven't said anything hateful in our argument, lets leave it that way. |
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Post by Kitty on Mar 1, 2018 0:36:53 GMT
"a mother that drinks" As an adult of legal drinking age, I can and will do whatever the hell I want to and its none of your damn business. If you hate the staff here on simplex so much, why do you hang around here? Don't you lot have your own server to worry about? Y'all know where the door is, please don't let it hit you on the way out. I don't hate you at all Kitty, I merely pointed out your flaw as a human. And excuse me Kitty but I've been playing on the server for as long as you have, I have friends I like to play with as well. And its quite obvious that you can't handle any situation well, considering your outburst and negative attitude. This is a suggestions forum, and if all you can respond with is disregard and ignorance then don't respond at all Kitty. So far we haven't said anything hateful in our argument, lets leave it that way. "a mother that drinks" was pretty hateful. but hey whatever floats your boat dude. I handle situations pretty well until they get into my own personal life, then we have a problem. Just ask Bodozo how bringing my personal life into an argument worked out for her. This is a suggestion section of the forum, I suggest you don't bring my personal life into your petty disagreements with me. |
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Post by MarkE13 on Mar 1, 2018 0:45:34 GMT
"behind-the-back comments and immature behavior from the mods is also terrible" - yes it happens and no its not ok. It has been discussed but the mods are not cursing and being rude to just anyone. Its usually out of frustration or in response to players who have no regard for the server or the staff.
"came from an innocent standing" - everyone is innocent until they break the rules and get caught
"outright muting him and banning him" - he was warned multiple times before the ban. he renamed items to try and not get caught so knew full well what he was doing wasn't allowed.
"confused probably because perhaps he didnt fully understand the extent of the no advertising rule" - again warned multiple times, it isn't hard to understand. don't advertise other servers on here. Its on the board and in the book.
"in the end its your guys' loss, youre losing players and people" - yeah people that are causing problems and have poor attitudes. people aren't gonna get a free pass because of age or the fact they donated. if you break rules, cause problems, and disregard staff when you get muted/punished and if you refuse to learn from your mistakes we don't want you here.
"no staff member who abuses their power should stay in that power" - the correct punishment for advertising is a ban not a mute. no abuse here.
"servers should be lenient and relaxed anyway, its a game for fucks sake" - as mentioned before you advertise, you are supposed to get banned. instead he got muted multiple times yet continued which resulted in a ban. not sure how much more lenient we can be.
I'm sorry its come to this, and i get it, ya'll are upset, but the rules are clear. If someone refuse's to follow the rules and listen to staff members we aren't gonna continue waste time on them. Our job isn't to sit here and educate everyone on how to read and follow rules.
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Post by jendestroy on Mar 1, 2018 0:49:59 GMT
I don't hate you at all Kitty, I merely pointed out your flaw as a human. And excuse me Kitty but I've been playing on the server for as long as you have, I have friends I like to play with as well. And its quite obvious that you can't handle any situation well, considering your outburst and negative attitude. This is a suggestions forum, and if all you can respond with is disregard and ignorance then don't respond at all Kitty. So far we haven't said anything hateful in our argument, lets leave it that way. "a mother that drinks" was pretty hateful. but hey whatever floats your boat dude. I handle situations pretty well until they get into my own personal life, then we have a problem. Just ask Bodozo how bringing my personal life into an argument worked out for her. This is a suggestion section of the forum, I suggest you don't bring my personal life into your petty disagreements with me. Kitty I think you failed to realize, that this is a suggestion server on how to fix staff members, last time I checked you are part of that group of people. Nothing I have said is "hateful" to specifically you. If you haven't noticed, I also talked about several other different people, and you don't see them getting mad. Please feel free to offer your personal opinion on the argument, rather than attacking me specifically. Your actions in life, affect your character as a human being. We could bring this into a discord DM, but i'm pretty sure you blocked me. |
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Post by Kitty on Mar 1, 2018 1:06:44 GMT
you basically called me an alcoholic, as if i'd want to talk to someone like yourself in a pm. Much like bodozo and other people you hang out with, I'd have nothing nice to say. so have a nice day or whatever.
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