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Post by lukez95 on Sept 20, 2017 23:17:45 GMT
I was on the server and then 2 random persons came near my house .. they started walking around and then they began claiming blocks exactly near my house. They did it on purpose for sure and other people like SavPass7 and others like Cranky and Blumenator tried to tell them not to claim near my house. I have quite a big house so I'm expanding. Please just ban them because this is getting on my nerves with these kids! Thanks.
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Post by thecrankywolf on Sept 21, 2017 1:23:57 GMT
Yes, I was a witness to all this. And we did tell them they could not do that. The entire thing was blown out of proportion and they even went as far as to argue with Kitty. (Big no no). Not sure if this whole thing has finally been handled or not. Just wanted to give my two cents here.
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Post by quissy on Sept 21, 2017 1:26:20 GMT
This is a very extravagant explanation of what actually happened. Plus a lot of details have been left out. In all this was over a 2 hour period, it started as he says, "2 random persons", me and cosmic came near his house. Cosmic claimed a small area by his house, yes, I won't deny that, it's as he says there was a couple others there at the time. I didn't have any claims at this time and I didn't make any claims by his house, those accusations are false. A couple minutes after Cosmic made the claim he removed it, this was a minor thing, this isn't what this player is concerned about at all. After this I made a claim near-by, it was away from his house but close too his farms, it was a good spot ;3 I can agree it was probably too close but at that time there wasn't anything saying I couldn't do that. A few minutes after I made the claim and we started building he started to make complaints, it wasn't long before there was multiple people watching us build. Someone said that there was a "50 block rule" and that it wasn't ok for us to build there so I tore it down. From this point I walked 50 blocks away and started to build again, I didn't claim it immediately and yes we hardly started building it, I don't really think it's a sin but this player decided to make a big effort to remove the blocks we was placing, he even decided it was ok to CLAIM the area we was building on. Proof: imgur.com/a/nHF9yAfter this I claimed an area adjacent to it and started building a third time. This still managed to cause additional problems but I really don't think it's necessary to take this down that road now. It should be clear and noted that this player is angry, he's holding a grudge against 2 random players 1 hour after meeting them, this is not our problem, it's his. As a suggestion I think some of the server rules should be made more concise to avoid future problems like this. If the rules are straightforward with no gaps/alternative meanings then it makes the servers job a lot easier to manage. |
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 21, 2017 1:38:30 GMT
They broke my rail line!!
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Post by Kitty on Sept 21, 2017 1:41:58 GMT
Quissy, You and Cosmic both destroyed a (very) small amount of the rails right next to his place. so the blame of "griefing" can be on both sides. I asked you kindly many times to just take the RTP and find a place nowhere near any players. Even went as far as to offer my Mod skills to get you a nice place far away from anyone. You declined. No matter what I did to help resolve the problem you seemed to just want to argue. I would think if you didn't like Lukez, you wouldn't want to live ANYWHERE near him. You have 23 hours to move your home or we will help you move it.
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Post by quissy on Sept 21, 2017 2:55:37 GMT
If the "rail" -(about a 5th of an iron ingot and a 16th of a stick!) wasn't a factor this would have been resolved already with my last message.
I'm going to propose the same argument I made to you in game.
This is the server rule: Do not build or claim land by other players. It's a very vague rule, aside from what "building land" is supposed to mean we can see this rule is based on everyones perception of the word "by". We're about 80 blocks from his farm and 120-130+ blocks from his main house or MORE. If he's using max render settings from his house he wont even see our house, he could see us from his farm but I would start to question why that even matters.
I know your response to that because we already talked about it, Luke claims that he will expand his house, ok that's fair enough, but let's take some notes, the area around his house is completely clear, he has a 150-200x area around his house now with no claims or builds there, there's nothing in his way in this area, but if he really wanted to expand 500x500 he could still be building on the other side, away from us, there is a huge amount of space. The point I'm trying to make here is if he plays Minecraft 15 hours a day for the next 2 weeks he would still struggle to use up the uncontested 150-200x area he already has. If he really has that much dopamine spare to play this game for a living for the next month we could start to argue that in some ways we could be in the way. But EVEN then we are only taking up a very small area, I wouldn't expect this to change much, if we expand we can expand away from him anyway so that would really be a minor thing.
That's the description, my main argument is as follows, he wants us to move, we want to stay, I see this as a 50/50 scenario, I realize he's already established here but I don't see why that should give him overruling superiority.
I'm confident that if we wasn't realized for a week and built up we would not be asked to move, it's purely circumstance, which is the exact reason I'm still arguing this. Although you claim this wouldn't make a difference I'm still confident that it would.
This is not our problem, not in the slightest, if the right measures were in place this wouldn't be happening, so it's no fault of ours and I refuse to take that blame.
If people randomly started saying "I don't want to live next to X person I was here first", would you make them move? This is your argument for why you want us to move, so is it just how we're been dealt with or is that valid for everyone else too?
It feels extreme to question values but Minecraft is supposed to be community game, I believe this server holds the same vaules close, so why is someone protected when they cause an drama-inducing uproar in chat and attack new players for essentially no reason.
I have the highest of confidence that this players core interest was not to stop someone building "near" him or "where he wanted to build". Hate and grude is something that can be easily observed, he spent a whole hour watching us from the top of the cliff, I made no attempt to provoke him AT ALL, I did not speak directly to him, not once, only other players. Not as little as an arrow shot or "air-punch" was exchanged, I paid no attention to him, so it begs me to ask the question, why is the title of this post asking for me and Cosmic to be "FULL BANNED".
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 21, 2017 3:15:44 GMT
quissy, what is so important that you need to have the spot. there are plenty of other biome's all around the world if you just look. so could you please tell why you needed that exact spot?
(also there was a red-stone block with that rail.)
thanks
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Post by quissy on Sept 21, 2017 3:30:04 GMT
That exact spot is very important.
Also even without a Fortune pick you can get 9 Redstone from an ore. We all know Redstones economic value in Minecraft. I know it's the act that's a problem but it's not a regular occurrence for such a big deal to be made out of 1 or 2 broken blocks, I'm suffering right now at the hands of a single Redstone block. Unforgivable.
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 21, 2017 3:32:56 GMT
that is not what i asked about.
(also you can only get a max of 6 dust with fort.3)
(also x2. that rail line is not just a rail line. it is a trust line.)
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Post by quissy on Sept 21, 2017 3:43:30 GMT
It was hidden-meaning.
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Post by Choo_Imperium on Sept 21, 2017 3:54:28 GMT
So you built there to take Redstone and sell it back to people?
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Post by SnuRRe0 on Sept 21, 2017 4:03:42 GMT
Griefing is not allowed on this server, period. Even one block. If you didn't place it/make it, don't touch it without permissions, no exceptions, claimed or not. That is not tolerated.
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Post by Admin on Sept 21, 2017 5:35:13 GMT
Rule book explicitly says 50 blocks so if that isn't clear, i don't know what is. The rule at spawn by itself is vague in regards to exactly how many blocks yes, but that doesn't mean you can just ignore it all together just because the exact amount of blocks weren't specified. You've chosen to not follow the rules, then said it's not your fault because exact values weren't given. You can argue that because "technically" you're right, but in the end that's no excuse because all this would have been avoided if you had made an effort to get clarification. You could have asked any other players or staff, or just read the book at spawn you started with.
Anyways, I think this thread has made a mountain out of a molehill. Kitty, I think asking him to move when he's more than 80 blocks away is unnecessary. However, Quissy and Cosmic, I urge you to do so anyway, at least when you're able to because we could all do without the drama.
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Post by lukez95 on Sept 21, 2017 9:02:42 GMT
First of all, I wasn't the first one in that area, there was another player called MrMCFox and when I saw the spot, I asked him if it's ok for him to take that place. He said yes so I began building I think I wasn't even 50 blocks away from him but that was ok with him so I continued. The same thing happened with choochoo, he was building the rail line as as he was passing by he asked me if it's ok with me, I replied positive so no problems with him either. Another player which joined recently maybe his name is Roger if I can recall correctly, asked me gently if he could build in the area; no problem at all sir go ahead. You can ask anyone on the server even the big guns like jay, diwanshu, unknowndude12, zanril, I never was out of of my limit and I always tried to help others. Apart from that, the part where they screenshoted; yes i destroyed part of the platform they were in, exactly afterwards I built it again exactly the same. Although that is not an excuse, they are saying I griefed but they aren't mentioning the part where I put everything in place again. You ask me how did they get there? I tped Cosmic87 there because he said he had a wither skelli skull so I was going to buy it from him. After running around not giving me the skull, he died to lava on "accident" in a dirt area which never saw lava !! So he then made the excuse that he lost the skull but in fact he came there to see where were the areas that weren't claimed. Then after some time I tped to my home and I saw him claiming about 5 blocks away from my door and after quite a hassle he removed the claim. He then put yet ANOTHER claim in the middle of my flatted out land near the cow farm and after more hassle with me admitingly going to far in chat! They moved again and then they put a THIRD claim which was about 10 blocks away from my villager farm. I couldn't believe it and they started building a house there no noticing that SavPass9 and Zanril were also trying to tell them to move. After all that, kitty arrived and tried to solve the situation. They still argued about the situation. Now this quissy guy is coming with rules and after all that it is very visible that these guys just wanted to that on purpose. I made a big hassle out of it because 1 they didn't ask and 2 they caused a lot and a lot of problems until they moved where they are now. For me it's not a problem that they continue playing absolutely not but I surely don't want them as neighbours. Thanks for the help of those players who tried to help me I hope this gets resolved.
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Post by quissy on Sept 21, 2017 10:22:31 GMT
SnuRRe0 both party's griefed.
Meehan I didn't ignore the rule, I believe the first time I moved it was you who told us about the 50 blocks deal. We're about 80 blocks away, we're not even in render distance.
Luke, key point, you made a big hassle out of it even though it wasn't a big deal. If I walked outside your house in real life and said, "I own this spot here" you would just tell me that I don't own it and that would be the end of it.
Anyway, it's clear here that the rules are irrelevant, it's clear that we all have a slightly different opinion and values of the rules, I'm simply fighting for freedom in this situation, in fact nobody has responded to most of my argument, if you read what I've said, I already explained everything, (aside from the rails), so since then people have just been saying the same things we already know and we're talking about it regardless. There is no need for no more talking or drama, the outcome should be clear.
At the end of the day what should be happening is the server should be changing a few rules and figuring out how to deal with the situation already, the situation isn't a drama shit fest because of me, you could most certainly make me the causality but I'm the one defending myself, so that wouldn't make any sense. In a situation like this it's necessary to listen to everyone especially with these false rules, we've heard everything from everyone now, there's nothing else to say.
I already spent a whole hour arguing with kitty yesterday, I explained everything I have here in detail, this was just after server restart. And in the end I'm been told the same shit as here, "please move", why am I been asked "please move", because of the exact problems I've already described, even after I explained myself fully I'm still told constantly that I'm going to be jailed and that my time is running out, like it's some way to deal with the situation.
I don't feel resent or hate towards any player, I don't have a problem with anyone and I don't have a personal problem with Luke. But I don't think people understand why I'm defending myself so their writing it off. I'm defending myself because I can, there's no way to argue against the things I've said with ifs and buts.
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