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Post by Jonawebb on Jan 14, 2017 23:17:24 GMT
So from what I can see and what has been said by various people, the server is a little lenient on how they handle punishments. One such case is with x-rayers, as they are usually banned for a couple days to a week, then let back on, and will probably just end up doing it again as they know they can get away with it for a decent while with a simple punishment that lets them get back. The truly haven't learned much from it. Most servers would straight up perm ban a player and force them to submit a ban appeal for a second chance, and if caught again they were perm banned with no hope of coming back, and they knew that. My solution is a plugin that give staff a command for punishing xrayers, and the command gives them mining fatigue 3 effect for the time specified with command. so it would be something like /fatigue <player> <days> <hours> <minutes> (note: if they don't fill in the minutes, or the hours and minutes fields, it would assume 0 in those, to put in for 5 hours, you would put /fatigue player 0 5). A fair punishment for x-raying would be using this command to give them the effect for a few days to a week. Now for the fun part. I have not coded with java in a decent while, however I could get back to it pretty easily. If this received enough support from both the player-base and the staff and I got the go ahead to make this so it would be put on the server, I could go ahead and get back to java and make the plugin within probably a week. So I'm adding a poll here for everyone to vote on what they think, and I'd love comments as well on it  |
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Post by Legendary_Sam on Jan 14, 2017 23:50:19 GMT
Unfortunely, any potion effect can be disabled by drinking milk.
Good idea!
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Post by Jonawebb on Jan 15, 2017 0:07:26 GMT
not if the plugin checks to makes it so if a player with /fatigue enabled on them uses a milk bucket, it gives them the debuff again instantly Legendary_Sam |
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Post by cptchlorox on Jan 15, 2017 0:49:50 GMT
I personally don't think the punishment system is that bad on the server. From what I can tell, it's worked for the 8-9 months of this server's existence, or at least has evolved from those.
But of course, there are a couple people who just don't learn. I to an extent could see the use of such a punishment, as it would make sense to punish someone in a relevant manner to how they were breaking the rules. Such as if someone was causing commotion in chat, it would only make sense to give them a mute. However, giving mining fatigue instead of a ban for x-raying due to the reason alone of being less lenient doesn't resonate well with me. X-ray is a serious offense which messes with the gameplay for everyone as it gives a player an unfair advantage, messes with the economy, and in turn ruins the game for everyone. It is not something to be underestimated. Ruining the server for many players does deserve a punishment, that's why x-ray is against the rules. If your main argument was the leniency part, wouldn't it be MORE lenient to let the player play the server. You claimed that if a player got a 1 week ban, they could just come back and still x-ray. But if this were true, how would Mining Fatigue be any different? It still lasts for a certain time, and when it's over a player can still be ignorant and not change. The great thing about the current system is that a player gets time to think about what they've done. The 5 stages of grief takes time, and it is usually experienced here on the forums because that's the only place a player can make their claim. Just look through the appeals, you'll see all different stages of grief. Leaving a player on the server would keep their anger in the chat. Not everyone uses the forums, but mods do. And anyone making an appeal will. Should the players who just want to play the game have to put up with an upset xrayer in chat? I know I wouldn't want to. Yeah, I'm sorry if this reply got kind of long. I guess just overall, I don't see it as necessary. I think both the current system and your suggested system would have nearly the same outcomes. My take on it is that implementing the Mining Fatigue system would take more time and effort than it's worth.
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Post by Kitty on Jan 15, 2017 3:57:20 GMT
xraying is 7 day temp ban right off the bat. not only that every diamond they have is taken from them. if caught doing it again they are gone 14 days and all diamonds taken away again. (even vote rewards because if you xray you suck) caught a third time you are perm banned and I get to blow your creations up with tnt and fire! (sadly) no one has xrayed 3 times because no one is that stupid. We do like to check up on our returning xrayers. as cptchlorox said, if they get mining fatigue it would only piss them off and thus go off on a little pissy cry baby rant about "injustice this and shit staff that." no need for it on the server. they can take it here where we can show them the evidence. also if you havent noticed i kinda really like appeals lol. so i think what we've got is good. if you hit limit, and a helper+ or Mod is on, we will know, we will come take a peek, and if you have nothing to hide we can give you points if you ask nicely so you can keep mining. :3
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 10:52:41 GMT
While I don't think it's the way to go about things (as Kitty explained above), I do think it would be absolutely hilarious to punish x-rayers with mining fatigue. Anyway, on a more serious note, I do believe things are fine as they are. (Though the mining speed limit is a huge annoyance for every legitimate player that spends their time mining... I remember bitching a bit about it in chat when I first joined, as well as many times thereafter.)
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Post by MarkE13 on Jan 15, 2017 13:04:37 GMT
simplex has an anti-xray plugin which notifies the staff who to look at, the staff just need to be active and paying attention to catch them or reset them. adding additional plugins usually means more server load and lag while adding more active staff members is free (as long as they are active and do their job properly). if you want something less hands off, you can also make fake ores from within the spigot anti-xray configuration. not sure what effect that will have on players other than wasting their time. even says in the description "may cause undesired effects on client side" which means more players "bitching" as veil put it. may also make proving x-ray harder too. not sure if its already enabled, but engine mode one is a good option if you all think something needs to be done about x-rayers but again probably means more server load and lag and complaining. personally, i think active staff members and logblock are sufficient as are the punishments for it. repeat offenders do get punished more harshly and its not just 7d per instance. www.spigotmc.org/wiki/spigot-configuration/anti-xray: ↳ enabled Default: true Type: Boolean Description: Self explanatory. Controls whether or not anti x-ray should be enabled. ↳ engine-mode Default: 1 Type: Integer Description: Controls the engine mode that anti x-ray uses. Engine mode 1 will hide all ores in the world with stone. Ores exposed to air pockets will still be visible. Engine mode 2 will hide everything by creating random ores all over the world, so that x-rayers will not be able to identify actual ores. Client and/or server latency due to overloading or network issues can cause undesired effects on the client side such as appearance of "fake ores". ↳ hide-blocks Default: [1, 5, 14, 15, 16, 21, 48, 49, 54, 56, 73, 74, 82, 129, 130] Type: List Description: List of blocks (IDs) that should be hidden (obfuscated) by the anti x-ray within engine mode 1. ↳ replace-blocks Default: [1, 5] Type: List Description: List of blocks (IDs) that should be replaced by hidden ores in Engine Mode 2 Versions: Before Spigot 1.9 |
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Post by cptchlorox on Jan 15, 2017 18:25:44 GMT
I remember the built-in antixray, it did do its job but at a cost of server performance. That's why they removed it after 1.9 came out.
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Post by primustheone on Jan 15, 2017 19:11:29 GMT
Fatigue 3 would be poetic justice... |
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Post by MarkE13 on Jan 16, 2017 11:21:27 GMT
Fatigue 3 would be poetic justice... True and while i don't deny that additional plugins may help stop or punish x-rayers, i think the potential cost (server performance/complaining) greatly outweighs the benefit as it can be easily handled by a few staff members actively watching the notifications and investigating and banning or resetting the mining limit. just my thoughts tho |
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