bublz
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Post by bublz on Jul 16, 2017 22:51:13 GMT
Ban appeals should be for staff and the banned/jailed player to comment on. And you should probably take it a step further and only allow staff to see the ban appeal. In my opinion, those things should be kept private. I feel that the staff should be the only one reprimanding the banned/jailed player. When no-staff comment on the thread it may become confusing to the player who is in trouble. I just feel that bans should be kept behind closed doors, should not be public.
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Post by AdamAndCaleb on Jul 16, 2017 23:51:48 GMT
But then what do I do with all this popcorn? I don't play on Simplex much anymore, but I read the forum all the time, and the mind-blowingly idiotic ban appeals (not calling all of them this, just some) are the best part.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 0:50:26 GMT
I don't see why,
Some comments (not all) can actually be helpful and give staff something to think about
Besides everyone should know players that are banned and who are appealing so that they can be extra careful around them
Just my opinion
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Teddy
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Post by Teddy on Jul 17, 2017 1:52:16 GMT
Honestly, I can see that because for the jailed/banned/muted user, it's embarrassing to have it out in public for people to see. "It's not other peoples' business, therefore it should be kept private," is what I'm getting here.
However, I think that it should remain as it is. While there are very minimal cases where user comments are unnecessary, the input is, like Barky mentioned, sometimes helpful.
On top of that, the person who broke the rule is encouraged not to repeat their mistake; having their mistake out in public makes them more likely to not repeat it, because they wouldn't want to go through that again.
The most important reason, I feel, is that it makes an example of the player who broke a rule.
"The smart ones learn from their mistakes, but the smarter ones learn from the mistakes of others."
There's so many cases of X-rayers being caught (very, very little cases being refuted) that I'm surprised it's still happening, even with players who have been with our community for a while. But clearly, it just shows that it isn't allowed, and you shouldn't do it.
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Post by NoTorso on Jul 19, 2017 16:17:18 GMT
Personally I don't support ban appeals being private. For starters there's often more parties involved than just the banned player and mods. There's often a victimized player or witness that should be allowed to put their input in. Juggling multiple permissions to view the thread would just put more work on the mods. Plus seeing the consequences of bad behavior might deter other potential rule breakers.
That being said I do feel only constructive comments should be allowed. As much fun as it might be to watch a rude cheater dig him or herself a deeper hole "grabbing some popcorn" doesn't help the situation. It could agitate an already poor situation and while the appealer is responsible for their own actions agitating them is just more of a headache for everyone involved. That and I don't believe those types of comments reflect well on the community, which is overall very welcoming and helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 16:24:27 GMT
Yes but the Jokes ect make it more embarrasing for the player meaning the chances of them breaking the rules again are decreased since they know if they have to make an appeal everyone can take the mick out of them.
Plus is servers way for players to see what happens when you break the rules
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Post by NoTorso on Jul 19, 2017 16:50:50 GMT
I did already acknowledge that seeing the consequences is a deterrent to others. However, I doubt that anyone is going to think twice about cheating or griefing if the think they'll be mocked. It's not that I'm worried about a likely cheaters feelings but that, again, I don't believe it adds anything of value and reflects poorly on Simplex as a community.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:21:09 GMT
Not true, there are plenty of people that would hate it as they don't want to (if they are actually sorry and want to play again) have a bad image in the community. If I see a previously banned player online I wouldn't annoy them or anything but I wouldnt exactly threat them like everyone else. Same with forum. This server isn't here to get massive numbers or for money or anything of the sort. It's here to be enjoyed and played how you wish (except hacking, griefing ect obviously) and if we want to joke in the forum or ban appeals I think that's fine. Just my opinion  |
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Jul 19, 2017 21:56:09 GMT
Wow I was legit about to post something like this! The last big server I worked on we had a rule where non staff members were not allowed to comment on the staff apps... It was amazing. The issue is that the non staff comments are just clutter in my opinion. Ban appeals are for the player to get proof for their ban and attempt go get their punishment reduced or removed. So that's my opinion and I am all for non staff comments being removed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 0:49:12 GMT
Maybe the useless comments (popcorn, ect) could be deleted, however, as I said, sometimes player outputs can make a difference in a ban appeal. Especially victims, witnesses ect
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Post by JavaNinja on Jul 20, 2017 0:59:19 GMT
Wow I was legit about to post something like this! The last big server I worked on we had a rule where non staff members were not allowed to comment on the staff apps... It was amazing. The issue is that the non staff comments are just clutter in my opinion. Ban appeals are for the player to get proof for their ban and attempt go get their punishment reduced or removed. So that's my opinion and I am all for non staff comments being removed. All of this, 100%. "That's a 'Yes' from me." |
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Post by darkshinobu on Jul 20, 2017 2:20:04 GMT
Ban appeals should be always public, but only staff should be able to comment, staff and the banned/jailed person, we, the rest, can rejoice just by reading.
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Post by FireSafetyDoggo on Jul 20, 2017 3:29:18 GMT
Exactly dark I have nothing against leaving them public it's just the reducing if clutter is what is best.
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bublz
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Post by bublz on Jul 20, 2017 4:31:27 GMT
Yes I guess this is what I was mainly getting at. Appeals should be the main convo between the staff and the guilty person. I do enjoy knowing who has been banned or jailed so I know who I can and can't trust.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:58:46 GMT
Maybe if a person wan'ts to comment (as in a victim or witness) they can get permission from staff?
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